TTU #2 in returning starters out of FBS schools
by RMR14 on Jan 23, 2012 3:31 PM CST
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PrintSaw this Phil Steele article via Ubben on ESPN, out of all 120+ FBS schools Tech ranks 2nd in returning starters. If this isn't Tubervilles best chance to do something in the Big 12 then its no question we should be looking for a new coach in 2013. I do think we will have a pretty nice season, hopefully at least 8 regular season wins. I think if he gets 8 wins he stays, although we should expect at least 9 with how the Big 12 is going to be this year, but expectations are a lot lower then they used to be. Barring injuries which have been a killer for us under Tuberville, I don't see why we cant compete for the Big 12 title this year. Also having UT/OU at home doesn't hurt
Returning starters for all FBS schools
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I was going to write a separate post on this, but just didn’t get around to it over the weekend. Anyway, this just didn’t seem right, but I don’t know.
We know that Lonnie Edwards is gone as well as Justin Keown, and you could make the case that Mickey Okafor could have been a starter, he was for a good chunk of the year. Adam James started, as we all are too much aware.
Scott Smith was the only other guy, that I could think of on the defense that started most of the year, you could maybe add Donald Langley as a starter, but I can’t recall how many games he actually started.
So that’s 4 to 6 starters right there, with Okafor and Langley being questionable. Am I missing anyone?
Also feel free to click on Phil Steele since he did the list if you would prefer not to go to ESPN:
http://blog.philsteele.com/2012/01/20/2012-returning-starters/
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
But how good are they?
When you return that many starters and sign 8 JUCO players (most in the BCS)…does it matter how many you return…just sayin’,,,
Yea b/c expierence is key...
Don’t forget that even when some of these guys were playing they werent fully healthy, if this team stays healthy, I don’t see one team that can beat us
seriously?
Not one team can beat us? Iowa state made us their bitch at home, but we are that close to perfection. Good to know.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 27, 2012 8:27 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Can't wait for all that experience to make a difference, and all those freshman who will start in 2012.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
He said he doesn't see one team that can beat us...
He has his eyes closed….
He’s not looking…
Or, he lost his sight…
Or, maybe… He can see SEVERAL TEAMS that can beat us…
Oh wait… I get it…. We have to stay healthy! If we have NO injuries, no one will beat us…!
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Jan 28, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yea we could lose all games, or we couldnt. I see us going 8-4 w/beating tems we shouldn’t and having 2 or 3 real bad games. Houston raider u sound miserably pessimistic, I understand, u think the same team u watched all of 2011 will be the same team u will see this year, that’s just retarded. R we going to be going for a NC b/c the way u answered that made me sound like that’s what I was saying and I wasn’t. I do think we could get 9 wins in regular season then people like u will forget all about this Convo here and you’ll be claiming u said it all along, 8 regular season wins most likely though
"he said he doesn't see one team that can beat us"
To that comment, we derailed OU at home, remember?? if we can do that LAST YEAR then yea I’ll say it w/confidence that this year WE CAN beat anyone on our schedule any given week, get your negativity outta here
Negativity?
We don’t need to sound like delusional aggies. Feel free to be optimistic…but your comments are up for critique.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 29, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
And do me a favor..
Don’t use retarded in your argument…
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 29, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
OK... yeah.. I'm probably a little on the pessimistic side...
My optimism/pessimism level is based on what I have seen on the field for the past 2 years…and from watching Tech football since the mid 60’s…
I will agree that we could beat anyone on our schedule on any given week… But that’s not what you originally said that we reacted and responded to… You said that you “don’t see one team that can beat us”… Personally, I think there are several teams that CAN beat us… I hope they don’t… I’ll be cheering for us to win them all… I don’t know…Maybe that makes me “retarded”…
Also, I don’t think you have much of an idea as to what people like me will do or say under any circumstances… you might just save yourself some time and effort in trying to predict such things…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Jan 30, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Don't worry RMR14
There are a few debbie downer’s around here….
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Yes
a few of us crazies who think after this season to suggest going undefeated is a bit much…..our bad.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Feb 1, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
it could happen
tubs is all over championships…..it could really happen…..just not with silver helmets.
"you just need to find your inner pirate" ML
No, no, no!
Silver helmets are the key!! Kind of like a “silver bullet”…get it now?!
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
Okay, I missed this over the weekend. Please don’t refrain from using the pejorative term “retarded”.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I don't think you meant to put "don't" in your sentence above...
…just for any smart alecks like me out there!
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
You just can't not be a smart aleck either...!
Nice catch… from one smart a to another…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Jan 30, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, that’s correct. I’m just glad I think I used the term “pejorative” correctly.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Yea I posted Phil Steele link
…I know ESPN post aren’t the most popular
The use of "#2"
Always makes me giggle…
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
by Austin, Tx on Jan 23, 2012 5:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
looking at last season:
We progressively got worse as the season went on. The k state loss was our 2nd best game we played in my estimation.
I’m not sure if getting all of those players back is a good thing….as there was surely something that went down that made the effort considerably worse as the season went on (save for ou).
Leaders and playmakers are required for successful teams, it will be an interesting year. I hope hocutt has applied appropriate heat.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 23, 2012 4:40 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Was listening to show last night;
The NY Football Giants lost 13 starters to injury this season, yet, here they are in the super bowl.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Big difference between pros and college kids.
In my opinion.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Very true, pros can only carry 53 on the active roster and only 45 on game day roster.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
BOOM
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 31, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, and they went 9-7 in a terrible division
but suddenly everyone important got healthy by playoff time.
Shawn Johnson... she's a nice lady
I just hope we win
Also, wish Tubs would go back to having white numbers on the home jerseys!
I'm optimistic we have so many returning starters
Talk about baptism by fire. I think the players will have learned and developed a lot as a result of this last year, and they won’t want a repeat.
The way Tuberville is talking it sounds like there will be a lot more harmony on the coaching staff which I have to believe will make a positive impact as well.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
by Austin, Tx on Jan 23, 2012 7:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
he always seems to pump the sunshine
and convinces me yet again he’ll get ‘er going. Guess I shouldn’t have had that ‘smoke’ with my dad, as he’s a sunshine pumper as well
i like lose women
I get that feeling as well. Tuberville sounds like a much better coach in the offseason.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Seems like every offseason
he has some huge change cooked up that’s gonna win us a national title. First offseason he raved about how he was gonna make us a ‘3-ring circus’ with an NFL defense. Last year it was his stellar recruiting class. Now it’s all the new coaches. When does the BS stop and wins begin?
I thought we were talking about NC
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
Wait...
I’m being optimistic and you’re the doubting Thomas??? What is going on here?!?!
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
This
And who has 15 players require surgery? That was crazy when I read Mike Grahams article about Tech having that many players not only hurt but require surgery. Tub’s in on thin ice so he better produce this year.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
I'm so glad we got the "coaching harmony" issues worked out...
Although, we weren’t really aware there were such issues until we got rid of some of the old coaches…
I wonder if Neal Brown has bought into the new harmonious approach? Things have gone a little silent on that front… it will be interesting to see what’s what after national signing day…
I’m optimistic for next year because:
- We’ve been recruiting more talent (the cupboard isn’t bare anymore…)
- The players won’t be as young and inexperienced.(that means they must be better…)
- We can’t have as many injuries as the past two years (what a crazy fluke that’s been…)
- We will be able to run the ball (you gotta be able to run the ball…)
- We’ve got some new defensive guru’s on the staff (they’ve got to be better than the previous guru’s…)
- We may get OU & UT at home (please disregard our 1 – 6 conference record in Lubbock the past 2 yrs..)
- The ball has got to start bouncing our way… and surely we will start catching some of the breaks…
- The wind is not going to blow (if only we could get that indoor practice facility…)
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Jan 24, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well played sir, well played.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
I think it depends
on how they fall, if we lose 4 or 5 in a row again, then I think he needs to go regardless.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
How about this, say we go 8-5 but lose 5 out of the last 6. I would still kick his can down the road.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 23, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
It is all about the trend or direction of the program.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 24, 2012 7:13 AM CST up reply actions
BTW, if he loses the first 5, he probably won’t get a game 6.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 24, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
We can only hope !
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
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"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
by Gus Mitchem on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
That trend was started in 2011, lots of early-mid-season firings last year
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
.....................................................................................
"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
by Gus Mitchem on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Really?
I don’t see Tech firing him mid-season. Even if they did, are any of the other coaches strong enough to finish out the rest of the year as interim HC?
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
Well, there is no way that we will go 0-5 against the likes of NM and TSU.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Please don't say "no way"...
I’m sure it can be done.
Sorry, that was my inner pessimist.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
I dont see logic in half the things most of u say...
How would we not be better next year, Big 12 is down, we have a lot more experience then a lot of these teams…Tuberville has yet to have this opportunity, give the man a chance b/c he sure hasnt had a legit one yet
I am optimistic this year
for several reasons, listed in another comment. Hope this will be the year we turn it around!
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
I'm curious...
…exactly how much beer do you have to give the women before they are willing to make you feel better? ;-)
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
I am curious
Where this parallel universe is that tubs hasn’t been given a legit chance.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 24, 2012 7:14 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Really?
It’s fairly obvious. The admin has forced him to be an absolutely awful coach. They got their ‘yes man’ and they don’t want another school to hire him away. When they let lose the reigns…immediate championships.
could Tommy be our Singletary
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
If you are talking about our Mike Singletary from the MBB the
last several years, then you could be correct. Neither puts forth any effor towards defense.-
"you just need to find your inner pirate" ML
Brown
I would love to see his offense unleashed
If we are 0-4, he does not get to game 5.
This you can take to the toilet.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
the poll question was worded funny but i think 8 wins or he should be out
I dont have a say in the matter though… I think a mediocre bowl game will save his job (7 wins), although it shouldn’t… I reposted my thoughts below from November (mid season) on this…
in fact, not going to a bowl game this season may be in his best interest… if he turns it around and goes bowling next year, he gains "momentum"… if he goes mediocre bowling this year… the pressure will be on for a bigger bowl next year.
obviously its the former and not the latter…. worst case scenario for 2012, a 7 win mediocre season… Tubs squeaks by and we are stuck with mediocre…for another year… best case scenario.. the old coaches coach the returning starters UP and we win 10+ (we can always dream). somewhere in the middle is winning 8 or 9 (actually gaining momentum) or 5 again and firing the guy before the seasons over to get the best shot at a fresh start with Dykes or whoever is the next hot coach at that point (see ATM) Sarc font for the last 10 words or so.
by SPACECITYTECHSAN on Jan 23, 2012 9:12 PM CST reply actions
6
Which means he went 3-6 in conference. Another conference losing season and he needs to be gone especially with the talent he has coming back.
by KellerTXTechsan on Jan 24, 2012 1:02 AM CST reply actions
F'd in the A
I bet when the schedules get posted, Tech will have to play in Austin. We had to play back to back games in Norman and I see us getting the shaft this year. like usual.
I do not consider the number of wins but the number in conference and the quality of play.
Can’t measure trends by beating TSU and NM. I am sure KH will evaluate the total picture.
I’m kinda with Oldschool on this. It’s really hard to believe that we’ll be any better with the way the season ended. We got progressively worse and that speaks volumes. Injuries did play a part but that is something all teams have to deal with every season.
I do think that Tuberville is feeling the pressure now and that’s a good thing. Tech football has the capability for greatness and quite possibly could win 10 games if the coaching and defense get a whole lot better but if we see the same coaching and the same defense we are shopping for a new coach for 2013. Excuses are running thin.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
But I believe (who knows if it's true or not)
what was said about Glasgow and a couple of other coaches grabbing some of the key players who were celebrating after beating OU and saying the better team lost that day, they shouldn’t be celebrating (or things to that effect), etc., which had a negative impact on them & which they shared with their teammates.
Right after that game is when we went into the horrible cringe-worthy stretch of losses when the team was incredibly, inexplicably flat. These two things add up to me. So I think if you remove the coaching/motivation/tension with players issue (my theory) that has a big impact. Motivation is huge.
If we now have coaches that are on the same page, even better.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
That may have happened, but I doubt that it could have had such an impact. I tend to think that the whole PR campaign leveraging the big win had more of an insidious impact. More of a WTF moment that caused guys to question whether or not this was about team.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 24, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
unless you go back to the Houston loss in 09. Leach had lost that team,
but he got them back on track. Maybe Tommy lost team after OU, and it took the last two games to get them back. Something happened. I saw the worst Tech team ever play at Texas this year. You could tell they were just going thru the motions, and so did everyone else in the stands on both sides.
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
and there is nothing more embarrassing than your team not showing up, thats just a waste of my time and money as a fan
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
.....................................................................................
"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
Yep
A bad win is still a win and one against a team like Oklahoma should be celebrated. It was a pivotal moment to get players thinking they’re capable of more than what’s expected. The loss to Iowa State the following week is what sends me over the edge as far as Tuberville’s ability. That was such an ugly loss and one that took place at home after a marquee win against OU on the road. Pure lack of leadership and flat out failure on so many levels. The team only got progressively got worse after that as well.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Your theory
is right on, Austin. A lot of bad mojo was going on.
by Red and Black 71 on Jan 24, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Its not smart to think we wouldnt be better...
The Big 12 was hands down the most competitive it ever was in the history of the Big 12 in 2011…Its a different day in 2012 and Tech has a lot coming back
Hey I admire your optimisim and I hope your correct about next season. I’ll be a believer when he starts beating teams he’s supposed to beat at home. For now I’m very skeptical about what Tuberville does with this team.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
you aren't
Happy with your one big 12 win at the jones in the tubs era?
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Jan 25, 2012 6:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The conference always looks more competitive when you're the second worst team in it...
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Jan 26, 2012 7:09 AM CST up reply actions
The Dallas Cowboys have all their starters back too.
meh
"you just need to find your inner pirate" ML
it's a good thing as long as the defense makes it out of the burn ward
in time for offseason practice
And if he pulls 9 regular season wins out...
All of this convo is forgotten
I tend to think angry fans that have high expectations for a team serve as a motivator. If we all just agreed that Tuberville is greatness when he’s failing miserably we might not ever see another bowl game. In short, if Tuberville succeeds it may be because he had a fire lit under his ass.
"You've got to find your inner pirate" - Mike Leach
Couldn’t not agree more. Nothing like having a fire lit under your backside to keep you from resting on your laurels.
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
Why can't you not agree more?
You ought to be able to not agree as much as you want to…
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Or even maybe you haven’t had not enough coffee yet.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 25, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Just kidding of course... I just can't not be a smart aleck...
"Transition is hard." - TT
by Houston Raider on Jan 25, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
No, it was good...
…don’t stop being a smart aleck! I miss that on DTN right now…
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
i voted 6
yep, me, a leacher to the max. but you, know, 6 would be an improvement, in all actuality. and, though i sort’ve don’t like to say it, i’m about moved on from all that crap. not like we had any say in the first place, and this new rawls college is threatening to force some koolaid down my gullet. it’s pretty freakin sweet you guys.
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 25, 2012 11:29 AM CST reply actions
Time heals all wounds...
and so does winning, so that’s all we need to do now is WIN
additionally, and as an aside,
with all the new experiments in unis going on all across the country, i would like to see us have chrome helmets like oregon did! it would be the next step up from bass boat helmets, methinks
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 25, 2012 11:31 AM CST reply actions
anything is okay by me so long as it has bass boat glitter in it
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
by Btech on Jan 25, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is why I don't like white helmets
"Oh, yeah. We don't even talk about Bowls much. We're so far away from being a team right now that can have a chance to compete in a Bowl." HC Tommy Tuberville.
When did the Teletubbies start a football team >?
College Football: "Our Traditions are now for Sale"
.....................................................................................
"Well the ball just didnt bounce our way today" Tommy Tubervile, after decades of coaching experience, the best he can do ....................................................................................................................................
Blaze a trail, spend some time in West Texas, feel the sand sting your skin and burn your eyes, let the winter dry your hands, learn that its there only because our ancestors didn’t want to be around other people … that’s West Texas
The white helmet
looks like a Hostess Sno Ball – anyone remember those?
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
You know me too well.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
I think a flat black would be pretty sweet
Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.
by kevinkinsler on Feb 1, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
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