DTN Daily Diatribe | Texas Tech News, Notes and Links | 2012-01-03
by Seth C on Jan 3, 2012 5:30 AM CST
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ODDS AND ENDS | Pretty interesting article from the NY Times about paying college players. It's actually a pretty interesting concept, complete with a salary cap, a minimum salary for players and a quasi-union for the players.
LADY RAIDER BASKETBALL | The Lady Raiders take on Oklahoma St. tomorrow night at 7:00 pm in the United Spirit Arena.
LAJ's David Just writes that head coach Kristy Curry likes that the Lady Raiders found ways to win while being on the road:
"We didn’t play very well but at the same time we were able to find a way to win," Tech coach Kristy Curry said. "It got a little hostile at times, a little crazy, but we were able to find a way and you turn the page and keep getting better. It gives us some confidence in close game situations to pull one out."
And point guard Monique Smalls says that teammates coming off the bench is a good thing:
"It’s good to have people coming for you," junior point guard Monique Smalls said. "That means they’re trying to beat something that we have going. It gives us that challenge. It gives us more to go on to win these games."
RED RAIDER BASKETBALL | Congrats to PF Jordan Tolbert who was finally named the Big 12 Rookie of the Week! I say finally because he's been the best newcomer in the Big 12 for the past month. LAJ's Nick Kosmider talks with Tolbert who is surprised at his success thus far in his career:
"I’m very surprised," Tolbert said. "I didn’t think I’d be doing this well. I think I’ve gotten a lot better, but it’s all because of my teammates and coaching."
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"They’ve taught me how to use my ability to score before I catch the ball," Tolbert said. "I’ve been improving my position, getting lower and fighting for position. Coach always says that offense wants contact and defense doesn’t want it, so you kind of have to hit the defender before he hits you in order to get better position."
ESPN's Jason King gets everyone ready for the Big 12 conference season (which tipped off last night) and gives the freshman of the year to Tolbert:
Freshman of the year (so far): Texas Tech forward Jordan Tolbert has been huge for the rebuilding Red Raiders, who will take a 7-5 record into Big 12 play. While other highly touted freshmen such as Oklahoma State's Le'Bryan Nash struggle, the lesser-known Tolbert continues to post numbers that would be impressive for any player, much less an 18-year-old playing his first collegiate season. Tolbert is averaging 15.1 points and is shooting 65 percent from the field -- and he's scored more than 20 points in four of his last five games.
TEXAS TECH FOOTBALL | Congrats to Kliff Kingsbury for being named the offensive coordinator at Texas A&M. I'm happy for Kingsbury, despite now coaching at a rival, and you should be happy for him too.
I meant to post this over the weekend, TTURed at Totally Texas Tech has his favorite pictures from the football season and there are some terrific photos, so go check it out.
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I am against the idea of paying college athletes more than what they are already beong paid: several yhousand dollars worth of free education, insurance, room & board etc all free. Also while the rest of us burst our behind to get into top schools, all that these athletes have to do is to show ‘potential’ to do well.
This idea of paying players is beong floated around by some idiots in the media and others like Mark Cuban, who either have little respect for education or understanding of how much financial and non financial expenses are defrayed for these student athletes. To suggest that athletes be paid beyond what they already make is arrogant and ignorant.
Sorry for the rant
by jef on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Darn this ipad keyboard sorry for the typos
by jef on Jan 3, 2012 6:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Athletes are already paid
It is called scholarships, not to mention all the other perks. Just not having to deal with the Financial Aid Office is a big enough perk.
by RHS on Jan 3, 2012 6:21 AM CST up reply actions
There is some logic to paying the college players, but
I would think it would be the end of college athletics as we know it. I would be more about the money and less about the game.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
Not so sure aTm qualifies as a rival anymore.
We won’t be playing them again anytime soon. My level of dislike has gone down a bit and has settled right at apathy. I have no reason to think twice about the aggies anymore. So I don’t.
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
by Tech92 on Jan 3, 2012 7:00 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
agree
and I only hope we do not ever ever schedule them again.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
right on...
"It was impossible to get a conversation going. Everybody was talking too much" - Yogi Berra
Kliff
as the next head coach at Tech. We can dream can’t we?
When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.
by candyroll on Jan 3, 2012 7:23 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I was just thinking this.
My beef with Kliff was lack of experience. Now I’m thinking, let Tubs coach through the end of his contract… get Kliff some years and some wins under his belt, then bring him home!
Minor Leagues
Professional Baseball, has developed their non-collegiate pathway talent for 100 years. I’ve never understood, why professional basketball & football club owners, have no expense, related to their minor league system.
If kids want to be paid, and that’s more important than an education, let them play minor league ball. Jerry Jones & Mark Cuban can round their buddies up, and we can watch student athletes, that are serious about their classwork & future careers, play on Saturday!
Kliff Kingsbury
I hope he gives the SEC some real grief!
When the “air raid” hits the SEC, their defenses will gasp for more resting time.
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Then we hire him for our Head Coach.
by Tech Pirate on Jan 3, 2012 8:13 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
you could be very correct
just watching last night at vaunted defenses giving up points like crazy, spread offenses running and passing ruffshod over the Big10. It will be interesting to see what real offenses to to the sec.
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
Kentucky did quite well against SEC teams in the late 90's.
That was vintage Air Raid: Mumme HC and Leach OC. Neal Brown WR too!
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
The facts on paying college athletes
Look at this link if you want to see the facts:
http://assets.usw.org/ncpa/Executive_Summary.pdf
It’s an executive summary of a research project that Drexel University and the NCPA finished last summer. Some very interesting findings. But the one that got my attention is this….on average, the out-of pocket expenses for a college athlete is about $3200 per year. This means guys like Brandon Carter, who could not afford to pay for a recruiting trip, would have a hard time finding $3200 to pay for these “extra” expenses.
This is why coaches like Steve Spurrier have been advocates for paying college athletes. But that’s really the wrong term. It should be “full scholarship”. Because now, it’s not a “full ride”.
I know there will be abuses. But guess what, there are abuses now. So I say make the change for “full scholoarships” to make it fair and equitable for these players who are making it possible to pay the salaries of Tubs and his staff, Hocutt, and others.
When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.
I think if you gave all football players $5k a semester, that would be fair & reasonable
That’s less than a regular student bartending part time is going to pull in. And football takes more time away from a college student than a part time job. I don’t see how $10,000 a year will be enough inducement to corrupt anybody.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
Another option is
just figure out what all the “extra” expenses are, like parking fees, etc, and then make those services available to scholarship athletes at no charge. Just paying a stipend has a lot of room for abuse, in mt opinion.
When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.
As someone who is currently paying nearly full price for 2 college educations,
I take a dim view of stipends on top of a free education for student athletes. But if stipends must be paid, they can’t stop with football. All scholarship athletes should be included. Athletes on partial scholarship (and probably walk ons too) should be paid as well. They’re putting in the same amount of time. You could also argue that full academic and arts scholars are entitled to a piece of the pie.
this is the rub, just where do you draw the line?
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
Academic scholarships/fellowships/grants are often no strings attached money
If you have the grades & are willing to do a lot of applying for grants & scholarships there is all sorts of no strings attached money to be had.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
I've heard rumors of such
Felt like we gave it a reasonable effort, but came up empty.
There is another side to this.
College athletes, especially football and basketball players, make money for the college. The extreme example from the Drexel research that I posted a link to was Duke University basketball players. Duke basketball players make a ton of money for Duke University.
This is true for most schools. They depend on the revenue from the men’s football and basketball programs to fund the rest of the athletic budgets. So the players are saying….why should I have to live like a pauper when I know the AD and the HC are making 2 million a year?
Students who get scholarships due to their academics and/or arts do not bring-in revenue for the school. So I think that is a very different picture.
I speak from experience. I got three full years funded at Tech for academics, and was really glad I did. But that paid for tuition and fees only. No books, no room and board, nor other expenses. But was I griping about the fact that these other “expenses” were not a part of the scholarship? No way.
But it’s harder for people on a full athletic scholarship. There are many, many NCAA rules about getting the money to help pay for extra expenses. They have to be very careful. It’s the nature of the bureaucratic system.
When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.
I see your point about revenue generation, but how finely do you slice the pie?
Should all bball and fball players be paid equally? Does the QB get more than the placekicker? Does a starter get more than a backup? At Duke, do bball players get more than fball players? Even the academic and arts scholars probably contribute in some way to the institution’s overall prestige which could be assigned a dollar value. I prefer to view them all as students rather than revenue generators (naive, I realize).
To some degree, the hypothetical student athlete resentful of living like a pauper may be a victim of supply and demand. He is welcome to take his skills elsewhere at any time if he thinks he can do better. There will always be someone else more than happy to take his scholarship.
Yeah, but then it gets into somehow trying to give $20,000 a year to a Reggie Bush, a Cam Newton, or a Dez Bryant, etc. so you still have the same thing going on that we have today.
Row well and live...Ben-Hur
Like I said
There are abuses now. And there will be abuses in any system, as long as there are “imperfect” people involved. But that should not be an excuse to not change the system. Change is good!
When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.
whether pay a tipend or not...
Here’s what I recommend:
Players get 4 years of eligibility (like now) and ANY athletic scholarship is good “until you graduate OR go pro”. If the whole POINT of the scholarship is to raise good STUDENT athletes, then we should make sure schools DO THEIR DUTY. This would FORCE “football factory” schools to either graduate their kids (that don’t go pro) or at least be more careful about how they recruit. It’s appalling that you have players that give their 4 years, and then have nothing (yes, it’s also the PLAYER’S fault, but just saying). The NCAA should force the schools to see that kids graduate and can’t replace any player on the scholarship roster until they do.
by HeeroTX on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
kinda agree with this, but to go a bit further
if a kid “goes pro”, he/she should have to repay any monies rec’d prior.
I really like the “NCAA should force the schools to see that kids graduate and can’t replace any player on the scholarship roster until they do.”
i'm back bitches.....................deal with it.
by blackbeard on Jan 3, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s actually a pretty interesting concept, complete with a salary cap, a minimum salary for players and a quasi-union for the players.
I will never support the concpet of a player union for college players…never !!
I don’t have a problem with the NCAA agreeing, after considering the whole of the organization’s ability to pay, on a set amount, not a limit, but a set amount for all divisions—even if it required some level of revenue sharing.
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
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