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In what way is this post relevant to a TTU sports blog?
I don’t understand. Please explain.
"This time it's different."
It Has To Do With The Mike Leach Situation
You don’t have to care about what Tech does (antipathy).
I already have what I want.
I won’t endow any more scholarships.
You are on your own.
And you will definitely not be working for me.
Are you saying you won't hire red raiders?
Because of the Leach fiasco you won’t hire deserving Red Raiders?
by TexasTechForever on Jan 10, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I don’t get this either. Has DTN gone so far this way that now we have people imploring current students to give up their university and not attend the university that I think most of us love? What about the idea that the Texas Tech is not about people, it is an institution and that at some point the people will be gone and the university still stands? I still love my university and I’ll continue to write about it and no one has to employ me or not employ me because of it. I’m still damned proud that I have my undergraduate degree from Texas Tech. I have what I want too. I’d also add that if you feel this strongly about something, posting on an internet blog isn’t going to exact much, if any change. I get the idea that people need to voice their opinion, but if all DTN ever is and becomes is a place where people bad-mouth Texas Tech, then I’m not so sure that I want that. If someone were to start a blog about all of the bad things about their universities, I’m guessing that this sort of venture isn’t going to be wildly popular, but maybe I’m wrong. I think that most people want to have hope, and not all things with Texas Tech are bad. There are some bad things, but there are bad things with just about every university, Penn St. being a good example. If some people are ready to move on, I don’t call it antipathy, I call it personal preference. You won’t see me writing about it, I won’t stop others from doing so, but I hope this is not what happens on DTN.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Jan 9, 2012 7:37 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
I Agree
It is fair to say that Texas Tech has done some pretty impressive things lately.
Their substance abuse program for students has become a model for institutions across the country.
It is the first of its kind, and CNN did a wonderful story about it.
Popular Science magazine even rated Tech as the number one facility for wind research in the nation.
We just want her back,
without having to explain or defend her from this scandal. “You are who they say you are”, is a saying we’ve used with our children to implore them to protect their reputations. In our community, we’ve had to excuse and try to sell the University against the common ‘fan’ jesters, the truly questioning families, and the plain moral examples. The longer this fiasco has gone on the more ingrained “We are who the say we are” is becoming Tech’s reputation. And, we don’t like it. We’ve even tried the tactic of ignoring it; or, that it’s just a football program thing. It’s not working. We just want the Texas Tech we knew before Dec. ’09, back.
All you have to do is spend 5 minutes on DTN and I think you know that no one is forgetting about anything.
I’ll say this again, I’d love for someone to start a website (it’s not going to be me) and they can write about all of the awful, horrible, and corrupt things happening at Texas Tech. Feel free. You can go to WordPress or Blogger and start a blog without any cost. I’ll even link to it one morning, but constant criticism isn’t fun or hopeful, and that’s not what I ever want DTN to be about. If someone wants to make this their life, then have at it, but not here.
I still vehemently oppose any sort of FanPost or comment that asks students not to attend Texas Tech. Texas Tech is more than one person, it is an institution, a culture and a place I love.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Jan 9, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Thanks, Seth
Both of these threads (this and the movie post) are making me very uncomfortable. I think something is up…maybe related to Double T Double Cross?
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
Not sure, and don’t care.
Either way, I’d rather have folks here on DTN make their opinions known that this isn’t what DTN is about (if that’s how they feel).
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Buckle in for a weird offseason
A lot of anger and frustration in the fanbase, and not much to distract from it.
Yup!
I’m angry about the Leach situation, too, and have made my feelings known for quite awhile. Yes, I’m angry at the administration, but it’s because I love Texas Tech so much. I only want the best for Tech and that’s my sole motive for anything I may say about the situation.
by djn on Jan 9, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
depends
being a Houston texans fan is finally paying dividends lol
by Michael McAuley on Jan 9, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
You got a point!
That’s one team I was wondering if they’d ever make the playoffs. Glad to see Houston fans have a winner to replace the “turncoat” Oilers/Titans franchise.
I agree, Seth. This is not what I want DTN to be about.
I come to this site because it has a variety of opinions but for the most part is not a university bash-site. Venting is needed because we all get frustrated at times but if you do not like the university at all and do not want it to succeed and improve, then I have no desire to read your post on DTN (or anywhere).
IMHO - the call to arms for a regime change at the very least borders on politics.
Look, I’ve been guilty of the same. After Leach was fired – I boycotted Pedro’s Tamales for their support of the Williams and Hyatt show, and called on DTNer’s to do the same. (failed miserably I think, and was called out by at least a couple) But, I’ve been on here long enough now, and involved long enough now, to appreciate the separation of sport and state for what it means to this site as a whole. Yeah, there is a connection between the program and the administration. But I think using DTN as a pulpit for change misses what DTN is all about and flies directly in the face of one of the few rules we’re called to stick to.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
that reminds me, I have tamales in the freezer! Looks like I will be putting some beans on the pot when I get home. Nice little SECNTG meal
Get your kicks, on route 66...
Oh yes!
TAMALES! Pedro’s aren’t bad (I loved it when Jack Dale would do a commercial—“Pedrooooo’s Tamaaaaallllles!”) Market Street’s are OK, too, or even the canned ones. They’ll do whenever you can’t get TACOS!
by djn on Jan 9, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Got some Pedro's tamales tonight
Should be mmmmm, mmmmm good. Better open the windows tonight, though!
pedros,
is the best mass produced tamale i’ve ever eaten. yum. nothing beats a homemade tamale from a real mexican family recipe though.
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Well stated, Seth.
DTN is a special place because it is well run !!
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
agreeeeeed,
maybe he didn’t mean it like that. being a writer he should know how to choose his words better, or maybe he’s using one of those literary device thingies to rile us up. which isn’t hard to do since it’s the internet and all.
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
entrenchment may exist,
and that would be a product of your laissez-faire treatment of members and posters, save for egregious name calling. that sounded really harsh, Seth, i think. So, i apologize, and I appreciate the freedom as well, as per all my blabbering about it’s the internet and such. And I actually agree it would be better probably to have a separate site for those kinds of things. We would just need to get it the same kind of exposure this site has. I feel that would be the main conundrum to overcome.
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
THIS IS NOT WHAT DTN IS ABOUT!!! PLEASE STOP!!
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
This is a tough topic
We all love Texas Tech and I think it’s fair to say anyone who frequents DTN now or who frequented DTN over the past 3-4 years knows where we all stand and feel towards the Leach situation. I also think willingly shining a negative light on Tech or telling students if they belong at Tech or not is just wrong. It’s obvious you have the money and position to enact a film about the situation so at the end of the day the decision is yours. I would caution you though that if you follow through with the project and it blows up in your face causing fellow Raiders to shun you I wouldn’t plan on using threads like this one or others on DTN to cite as reasons for your decision. It’s clear most of us want nothing to do with harming TTU in the public eye. Personally I am taken aback at the thought that after so many years of great banter on DTN (most of the time) it is slowly morphing into what Seth mentioned above. That would be a tragedy. This site is for Tech athletics and Seth is gracious enough to allow many of us, me included, to air our frustrations with the administration that have caused harm to our athletic programs but at the end of the day we still focus on athletics. I side with Seth on this one…if there are a number of you who feel so passionately about the administration and doing harm to them while innocently causing undue harm to the school so many of us love then start your own site. I’m not even saying I wouldn’t occasionally visit the site to see what’s going on or vent a little but DTN isn’t that place. Too much hard work by Seth to let that happen.
I am proud of your success and that you represent TTU in a place so far away. For that I say thank you and Wreck Em but I also caution you against abusing the power/influence you’ve worked so hard to get in trying to group every Tech fan/alumnus/student/supporter into one camp in hopes of finding a base of support for your film. I am proud I have my undergraduate degree from Tech and I love that place more than any other institution on earth so the thought of seeing it portrayed as any part of a scandal (good guy or bad guy) on a screen throughout America where people’s first impression of Texas Tech will be about the Leach debacle doesn’t excite me. Why not do a film about Tech football similar to Friday Night Lights but at the college level and showcase the history of the town/university/fanbase/quality of people? The Leach chapter could be a part of the film, Bobby Knight chapter, etc but the overall film is a positive one…I guess at the end of the day I just want no harm done to Tech in a film. Best of luck to you though.
Have good and get give
by TTU '04 on Jan 9, 2012 10:04 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
The Leach fiasco just isn't a priority with students
My daughter is a fifth-year senior graduating from Tech in May, so she went through 3 great Leach years, the firing fiasco and the 2 Tubby years. When you ask her and her firends about this they will tell you the general student attitude is “we hated to see Leach go, don’t care for losing football games but the Leach thing is old news—that was two years ago, we students have more important things to worry about.” You have to remember that the current Class of 2012 were sophs, and the current class of 2013 were Freshmen when the Leach thing went down—they had bearly figured out where their classes met. To a 20 year old, two years is one-tenth of their life. These are kids who take final exams in December, and by the time they return to campus a month later in January, they have forgotten most of what they learned that semester. For over half of the current student body, Leach is an abstraction—over half our Tech students have never been to a game not coached by Tubby. These same students look around campus today and see an incredible new Business building, a new dorm going up, improvemnts to baseball and softball fields and more. The academic rankings and professional recruiting rankings are higher than ever. Sure we older cynics can see the flaws and past injustices, and it is interesting that the same posters here repeatedly seem to “cry wolf” over the supposed decay of ol’ TTU in spite of at least superficial evidence to the contrary, but look at it through a 20 year olds’ eyes and Tech looks pretty good. As a survivor of the student protest movements of the late ’60’s at Cal, I know what student activism is. I also have seen what causes draw relatively complacent student bodies into activist OWS-like movements. The Leach story isn’t it. Try the Penn State story—now there’s your drama.
by Dr-Cane on Jan 9, 2012 11:19 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I have to give another side to this one.
I too saw 3 great Leach years as a student. All of my friends are still very, very angry about what happened, and where it has gotten us now. Perhaps there are just two groups on campus just like there are two groups here on DTN, but I cannot believe that the students don’t care anymore.
It’s not normal to carry around those types of feelings for such a long period of time. But as you said, being angry about it hasn’t helped, even though it’s a constant discussion on DTN. I’ve always said that I don’t care if you remain angry or whatever, but I think that generally speaking, to carry around resentment for 2 years isn’t what most college aged folks are doing. I’ve never discouraged people from writing whatever they want on DTN, but making comments on DTN isn’t going to get you anywhere (I say this because I think that DTN literally has zero influence on what happens at Texas Tech). If people are still passionate about what happened two years ago, channeling anger through DTN isn’t going to change anything.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
It’s not normal to carry around those types of feelings for such a long period of time.
I should clarify and say that this is my thought, not that I’m licensed to know what people think or what’s normal for something like this.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Did you just lawyer us up?
I feel like I was lawyered up.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
It's like I told Dr-Cane below,
I think a lot of that resentment would go away with wins (or some heads rolling in the admin building). I know all of my friends that either graduated with me or are seniors this year have no intention of donating money or buying season tickets until something changes. But that is also college kids finding a way to not give out their money! ha. I agree that channeling though DTN doesn’t do anything, but, other than cutting funds, what can actually be done?
I don't thing you're abnormal RdrPwr...
…well at least not in a bad way… ;-) (I know that’s not what Seth was saying, just couldn’t help myself!)
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
OK--I will give you that but...
like my daughter, Leach for you is tangible. 3 years of Leach football does make an impression, and I don’t doubt the sincerity of you and your friends (who I assume also have vivid, tangible memories of Leach). But, walk around campus, go to the SUB—talk to current frosh, soph, and junior Raiders about the Leach years—I suspect you will be both surprised and frustrated by their apathy toward the Leach fiasco and their confusion at your passion. If college students were as proficient at retaining knowledge as they are at forgetting it, India would be outsourcing to America.
I see what you're saying, and I think you're probably partly right.
However, it does seem that the ones that were big Tech fans in highschool and knew they were coming to Tech are still pretty upset about it. But then again, I kind of think that a large part of that is due to a dysmal season this year. Wins would make most if not all current students forget.
good points dr.,
and from the point of view of one current student (me), i would mostly agree, and probably not disagree at all. my view is that the student population is too fragmented, each segment engrossed in their own circle, and that’s how it’s been for quite a while, and probably how it will be. the availability of financial aid (loans for less-scholastically-gifted; scholarships for the more scholastically gifted) is too great for the tuition increases to really be felt, unless you are one of the few like me who try to work and pay their own way through school and are also not that scholastically gifted. shoot, even i took out a loan this semester. i mean, all the greeks run student govt, and no one really cares, even though they are also mismanaging some money. and even then i only know what i read in the DT. i believe we are all united under the pride of being Red Raiders, however, in terms of student body unity against the powers that be, i think many of us are probably to young to care, to immature, wrapped up in research/academics/partying, and the myriad other things that distract us from extracting the better treatment we should be getting from the admin. goodness i hope that made sense, i feel a bit discombobulated with all the things i have to do to get ready for the semester.
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
You bring up a great point about tuition raises not being felt...
But I cannot touch any further on that topic for fear of it becoming “politics”.
understood,
and i wasn’t meaning to be political either (though I’m way too political for my own good), just saying pretty much how i’m affected personally, from my experience. though i feel we may agree on a more than a few things in that arena, at least with regard to the school. time to start to superpac to influence some stuff! dang wait i have to get a degree and make a few bucks first, oh and pay off loans
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
yah....i heard that
finance degree, do me proud!
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
People and their causes when they are out of place. Not totally misplaced here.
I was buying half /half this morning, and because I was incoherent and uncaffinated, I don’t even remember what I said.
But but the woman started lecturing me on * corn syrup * yeah, that’s right full on activism!
She just starts blasting static outta nowhere about something I don’t give a damn about, and had no patience for incoherent conspiracy theories. Instead of stammering and getting drawn into the confusion, I decided to put a stop to it.
I really didn’t want to hear it from the corn syrup faction, and just wanted my coffee – so I put on my best drill sergeant and barked “GET OUTTA MY FACE” – and she squealed like a small dog that had just been punted across the room.
It was much more satisfying than I thought it would be. I should do that more often.
On the other hand – with TTU,- Yes, they got problems. Yes, things are messy at best. Yes, there is massive waste and dysfunction. Yes, the students should not tolerate it. Yes, it is part of the sports problem, No, DTN is not the place to organize an uprising, even if it is overdue – Please do so – but elsewhere.
The thought did occur to me to buy some corn syrup to put in my coffee though. No more endless stirring waiting for granules to dissolve. Just pour the hot coffee on it and go. Next time, I think.
by Raider289 on Jan 9, 2012 12:00 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
it's sweetness factor
is higher. or something. those scientists talk about these sweeteners and how this stuff and that stuff can be sweeter than sugar, like agave and stevia but have less calories and not eat up your teeth as much
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
real talk
Costco sells a double-pack of Wholesome Sweeteners Agave Nectar for like 7 bucks. Highly recommended.
by mojavereject on Jan 9, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
And then I have to marvel....
…. that somehow “this” is kind of what DTN is for………..
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
The next ruinous schism to shake DTN to its very foundations:
Team Agave vs. Team Sugar
by mojavereject on Jan 9, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Oh it's so on now
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 9, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Well, see
I want to clarify – I have been consistent in encouraging people involved to do something about it. I’m all for that.
So long as we still talk football and DTN doesnt become the meetinghouse for revolutionaries – that’s what I’m opposed to.
And actually, If we are going to put exotic syrups in my coffee, instead of something plain and cheap like corn syrup, I guess it would be maple syrup (the real stuff). Non-canadian. In the interest of economy, I’ll probably just get a jug of store brand of the clear corn stuff and give it a spin.
There's a drink that has both in one bottle.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
And were saving the polar bears now.
I just bought a coke. It is in a white can, imploring me to join some useless global warming charity.
I don’t think the polar bear beverage goes very well with your cactus liquor, unless it’s one heck of a night.
Now, a savage whiskey such as old crow or some mid grade rum would settle those bears right down, but then we’re back to the sugar problem. I don’t drink anything flammable anymore, so I’ll have to defer to the experts like Kwash on this. Amiright?
no fucking politics!!
Okay… I know this was sorta borderline, but it still pissed me off… and on another blog it would have earned a bitter diatribe
stevia
"I didn't come to Texas Tech to win seven or eight games... I could have done that anywhere." Tommy Tuberville
by Nm RaiDer FAn on Jan 16, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
black coffee,
oh yah just like i like my women. what? oh, PC you say? on DTN? naaaah. i like you 289. you get in those activists’ faces!
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
But Elf's main food groups are
Candy
Candy Canes
Candy Corns
Syrup
So, stick to those food groups like Raider 289 is trying to do!
I love Texas Tech, my alma mater.
I was and am still embarrassed by the events that started in Dec 2009. If someone wants to write a book, a blog or make a movie about those events and the people involved, then that is their prerogative.
I would hope that Texas Tech as a University would still shine bright and that the public discourse would look at the events and people involved as a separate matter.
.
Just a few of the reasons from this past year that I am proud to say I am a Texas Tech Alum and a Red Raider:
Meat Judging National Championship (for the 9th time NC Champs) and International Meat Judging Champs
Chess Team wins National Championship
Wind Research Center named Top Science Program
CBS Evening news picks a Texas Tech Alum as their news anchor
Tech’s School of Law earned Top 20 Best Value ranking
Texas Tech is just one of 24 named as Best buy School in 2012 Fiske Guide
Tech’s Engineering Grad program one of the best (per U.S. News and World Report)
Tech researchers develop Eye-tracking devices to help the disabled use computers
Tech’s fall enrollment set a record for the 3rd straight time
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Beating OU in Norman (FB)
Lady Raiders in the Top 10 and undefeated (WBB)
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The Carol of Lights (every year)
Will Rogers and Soapsuds (by themselves or wrapped by the Saddle Tramps)
The new buildings on campus (Rawls College of Business and New Boston Ave Residence Hall)
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Best friends for life are my college buddies
.
And then you have these two guys:
Internet Stars: Duo Uses YouTube to Build Music Careers
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"I was taught to fight, taught to win" .... "Don’t Give Up"
by RndRckTTU on Jan 9, 2012 2:40 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
oh yes those guys,
are awesome. i saw one on campus one time and yelled “youtube!!!” at him like star-struck little girl. (i’m a 26 year old dude). he smiled and walked on as we passed each other. i felt special, and also walked on and went about my business.
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
This is a pretty negative post so thanks for going positive. And on the subject of Justin & Michael.
I grew up with Justin’s mom and talked to other family members this weekend. The whole family is pretty talented. What I understand is this has grown to more than just two college guys making fun videos at home. You might see them soon with a music career in places than just the internet. They are more than just YouTube stars. You can buy their music on iTunes, and after they pay royalties each month there are still enough zeros left for them to live pretty comfortable (in Lubbock).
Most of their YouTube videos you will see them playing keyboard, but they are both percussion talents. This is one of my favorite videos of either of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwXj7d0FXi4
Go check it out.
Thanks ScottTTU
That is a great video
I will have to watch more of their videos. They are very talented.
"I was taught to fight, taught to win" .... "Don’t Give Up"
RndRckTTU - There are multiple national/international chamionships in range plant ID and soil judging.
Check out Crop Judging also.
Great comment post RndRck TTU !!
That is fun ……… shows some success and awesome people at TTU and in Lubbock too!!
I may have hinted to this in the other fan post, but
as a student, I could care less about Leach and his scandal. Nevermind whatever injustices were comitted, it’s simply not a concern for current students in the least, and probably even less so for future generations. The only people that do seem to care are the older Tech alumni. I’m sure if one made a list of every single scandal ever for every U.S. university, this one would easily be at the bottom. That would probably be the case relative with other recent scandals too. I’m sure a lot people still remember USC’s predicament, and if you asked someone outside of the alumni base about the Leach scandal in ‘09 I’m sure they’d ask you what happened (you know… because they don’t remember). Penn St. will be something people all around will remember for a long time. And I know the Ohio State thing is a here and now situation, but I’m sure that scandal will be a more widely known issue in the future (how widely known I don’t know, but surely more so than the Leach thing).
Could have fooled me when the student section booed the loudest every time Craig James was mentioned this year
I don’t think you speak for all undergraduates.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
Eh
one could argue that’s just a customary thing for a football game at this period of time. Like a peer pressure thing from juniors/seniors on to the younger kids, but for what it’s worth, when Adam was announced at senior day, there were more cheers than boos.
And as Brown suggested...
one could also argue, with astronomic success, that you don’t speak for all undergraduates.
I wonder
what round Craig thinks Adam will go in this year’s draft? He was able to get him in the AAA Bowl surely he can get him in the NFL.
by Leacherhere on Jan 13, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Please see RdrPwr's post on other thread for different student perspective
You cannot speak for all students, “it’s simply not a concern for current students in the least”. Unless of course you have a petition signed by all current students or some other documentation.
IMO, the reason the Leach situation resonates beyond alumni, students and those in Lubbock is because of Craig James’ involvement. James is/was a public figure with a high profile position with ESPN. Combine that with the lawsuit against ESPN and I believe it makes this a story that creates a higher level of interest with a wider audience. But I do agree with you that it doesn’t even come close to rising to the level of Penn State.
I am truly sorry that you don’t care about the injustices that were committed. I mean that sincerely. Honor and integrity matter. I hope you do NOT speak for many students when you say, “as a student, I could care less about Leach and his scandal. Nevermind whatever injustices were comitted”. It makes me really sad if the next generations don’t care when injustices are committed by those in a position of power, especially those who are supposed to be setting the example for young adults.
Have you ever listened to the lyrics of The Matador Song? Here they are:
Fight, Matadors, for Tech!
Songs of love we’ll sing to thee,
Bear our banners far and wide.
Ever to be our pride,
Fearless champions ever be.
Stand on heights of victory.
Strive for honor evermore.
Long live the Matadors!
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
by Austin, Tx on Jan 9, 2012 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ditto This
Beginning to wonder if the importance of honor, or lack thereof, is filtering through from the leaders to the students. Hope not but coming from someone who knows alot there must be some validity right?
Have good and get give
by TTU '04 on Jan 9, 2012 8:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What I'm getting at
is everyone seems to be angry at the administration for football and not concerned with more important matters. I very clearly understand this is a sports blog, so this scandal is relevant, but I doubt Leach is anything more than bitter about the situation. He has a new job, still gets paid shit tons of money, and his family is being supported well. Sure, he may have been cheated, but let’s not get so bent out of shape about something so relatively miniscule amongst the university scandal landscape that people go to such huge lengths in intention to essentially overthrow the administration. I understand the value of money, but it’s not like his firing put him on the streets, which is why I think he isn’t anymore than bitter (rightfully so). I love football, it’s exciting, I want us to do well, but if Hance and his “conspirators” can make my degree worth more and make Tech a better UNIVERSITY and not a football team, then I’m happy.
This is where I think you are missing my point, and that of others who might want to join in
It is NOT about Leach.
It is NOT about money.
It is NOT about football.
It IS about HONOR.
It IS about INTEGRITY.
It IS about the IDENTITY OF OUR BELOVED UNIVERSITY AND WHAT IT STANDS FOR.
You cannot have leadership that, “cheats”, does not honor contracts, allows egos to overrule what is best for the university, etc…however you want to put it.
While I am sickened by what has happened at Penn State (as you mentioned above), it is MY UNIVERSITY where I put my focus and energy. I have an attachment to Texas Tech that cannot be broken. When our “leadership” brazenly shows disregard for honor and integrity and shows no remorse, that is a problem for me. A BIG problem. Doesn’t mean it has to be one for you or anyone else. Just want to make sure you understand what the issue is, and what it isn’t.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
by Austin, Tx on Jan 9, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Well
until Mike Leach apologizes for making my fat little girlfriend feel terrible about herself, I’ll think differently.
But I don’t think most people think of this being about honor and integrity. It’s a valid point, certainly, but I doubt it’s understood by a lot of people until it’s presented to them, and then they’re all like “Yeahh…? Yeah!” I think most people are just pissed because he was a good coach and now he’s gone due to controversial circumstances. I bet if a professor was in a situation similar or even identical, no one would have nearly the aggression regarding the matter as they do. In fact, I bet people would jump at the chance for this to happen to Tuberville. Well… maybe not so much, but I bet a lot of people certainly would not be upset and angry.
Everyone knows how I don’t tell people what to do or think and I think Noah has a point in that he doesn’t have to feel as passionately, or passionately at all, about honor and integrity. I think he gets your point, but I think what you have to realize is that not everyone is even remotely that passionate about this topic, with or without the idea of honor or integrity. If that was the case, then there would be no new students attending.
Noah doesn’t have to or need to care at all about any of that stuff. And if the quotes about what you think this isn’t about, isn’t true. People still claim those things and reasons along with the others, I don’t think that this cause is altruistic as people want to believe, at least by quite a few people.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Seth, not sure what the deal is here...
You know where I stand on the honor & integrity issue. You know my passion is authentic and you know I back it up with action – action that will hopefully move the disenfranchised alumni in a positive direction.. You also know there ARE others on this board who have the same views. So I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at here.
Austin: "This is where I think you are missing my point, and that of others who might want to join in It is NOT about Leach.
I clarified my position when he referenced it being about football.
Noah Lot: “…is everyone seems to be angry at the administration for football…”
I never said Noah Lot has to feel as passionately as I do. In fact I expressly made that point.
Austin: “When our "leadership" brazenly shows disregard for honor and integrity and shows no remorse, that is a problem for me. A BIG problem. Doesn’t mean it has to be one for you or anyone else.”
And, yes, it does make me sad if future generations aren’t concerned about honor and integrity. What’s wrong with my holding that opinion?
Noah Lot: "as a student, I could care less about Leach and his scandal. Nevermind whatever injustices were comitted, it’s simply not a concern for current students in the least
Note that topic did not come up again after the first two emails so I’m not sure why it was raised this morning. Or any of these issues quite frankly.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
I know. I’m just saying that not everyone is as passionate about this as you, probably didn’t come off like I wanted, but I think there’s a lot of apathy.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Misinformation is part of the deal. Per capita, there are more informed readers on DTN than anywhere else because of that passion that Austin,Tx has and others (like yourself). I think the misinformation is due in part to what they want to hear or think and just being lazy or caring about it enough to be informed.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Well I am a one-of-a-kind, passionate, spirited woman...
…and possibly just a touch high-maintenance (I don’t know what the big deal is with wanting to be treated like a princess…especially because I totally deserve it and I’m SO worth it).
So, I take your point about most people not having my level of passion. I don’t think the world could handle more than one Austin, Tx. That would be like having two suns in the sky! (Blackbeard, RdrPwr – quick – please agree, especially with the “two suns in the sky” thing, because it’s definitely NOT an overstatement!)
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
SO can't believe I didn't get any Amens on this post...
if I can’t count on good BS exchanges here, then where can I???
Tech92 – I’m afraid we’re either going to have to break up completely or go on a break a la Ross & Rachel on “Friends”. Not giving public props to your pretend fling from college??? SO wrong.
RdrPwr - I’m reconsidering your position in my will. You can’t play that, “I’m her favorite so I can get away with anything” card too often.
blackbeard & KWash – you’re both good, no worries!
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
so, i'm just gonna
let that “princess” comment above slide…….I don’t want to start anything. Besides, Christy Brinkley is my #1 princess.
We ought to Haboob his ass
How about this...
can I be your #1 princess on a sports blog?
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
What is it about rock & roll songs & dream girls that everybody sticks with their 1st ones
Classic rock radio has been playing the same 250 songs that were in heavy rotation as new songs when I was in high school (1974-77) & it’s been the same 250 songs for the last 30 years.
And Christy Brinkley was a very lovely woman in 1982.
I think the best rock bands & the best dream girls can always be found in the present. Any present. So Emma Stone and Silversun Pickups are my favorites in 2012. Check back in 10 years & those choices will be different. In 1996 it would have been Dandy Warhols and Sandra Bullock. 1989 Meg Ryan and The Cure. 1984 REM and Debra Winger. See how it works?
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
My version
1984
Music: Loverboy
Dream guy: Loverboy lead singer Mike Reno. (Wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pole now.)
Fashion inspired by music: black parachute pants and the shortest of short mini-skirts and mini-dresses. Fortunately there aren’t any photos.
2012
Music: Chris Young
Dream guy: Chris Young (Would use a 10 foot pole as a weapon to get to him.)
Fashion inspired by music: cowboy boots. Lots and lotsa cowboy boots!
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
mb, I can't believe you left out Farrah..........
whiskey foxtrot tango to the max for sure.
We ought to Haboob his ass
I never got excited about Farrah - That year it would have been The Rolling Stones & Linda Ronsdadt
I was already in high school & thought Charlies Angels was pretty stupid.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
Montrose anyone?
Rock Candy, Bad Motor scooter, Rock the Nation.
Saw em at the lubbock coliseum in 76 with foghat.
awesome.
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
Isn’t RdrPwr’s picture below of Linda Ronsdadt at the local Walmart.
Simple rule of thumb: Everything before the but is BS.
by FriscoRaider on Jan 13, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
you go girl!
….ditto on your passions. probably goes with the high maintenance.
"I didn't come to Texas Tech to win seven or eight games... I could have done that anywhere." Tommy Tuberville
by Nm RaiDer FAn on Jan 16, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
You're high maintenance too??
I KNEW there was something I liked about you. Right from the start. ;-)
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
Dang! walked right into that one
"I didn't come to Texas Tech to win seven or eight games... I could have done that anywhere." Tommy Tuberville
by Nm RaiDer FAn on Jan 16, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Mighta been born at night...
…but it wasn’t last night!
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
"... everyone seems to be angry at the administration for football and not concerned with more important matters."
These are not mutually exclusive issues. Many folks care about both, but as you say, this is a sports blog. I see no harm in people continuing to express their feelings about it. They say we all have our own way and timetable for coping with loss.
The way I see it, a significant amount of healing and moving on will occur when the following steps are complete:
1) Leach is hired as a head coach (check).
2) Tech financially compensates Leach what he is owed.
3) Tech football stops stinking.
Meatloaf said “two out of three ain’t bad”, but one out of three sure ain’t good.
Honing in on the fanatical concept that this is just a sports blog. (sarc)
While I tend to feel much like Austin, TX about the the whole Leach thing – in that it is an honor/integrity thing – I think rednblackET nails an important aspect of what might be happening on DTN.
Tech football sucks right now. Let me say that a bit differently as to not insult anyone’s intelligence – Tech football really really sucks big time right now. There is a direct line of responsibility to certain admin and BOR for this reality. While I suppose one might argue that it would still suck under Leach, and that there is no way to prove that thought wrong, all evidence would indicate that we most likely wouldn’t. While I am very concerned about the integrity issue and will gladly support any avenue outside of DTN that has a reasonable shot at rectifying that situation, here on DTN I really just want Tech football to not suck really really big time.
However, as long as TTU football sucks – the Leach conversation is relevant. I can’t sit around and bitch about the effect all day and not acknowledge the originating cause. That said, the minute that Tech football doesn’t suck, there will no longer be any reason for me to opine about Hance and company on DTN. Leach certainly will have moved on, if for no other reason than he has his hands full with a new program and all that brings into his life. Soooo, as far as DTN is concerned (and a nod to Noah Lot), 2 out of 3 would be enough for that conversation to become out of place here.
Honor and integrity are conceptually great the 1st time a person is old enough to wrap their mind around the concepts. No one would ever argue that they are irrelevant. Like a lot of things, the real value of honor and integrity grows in people as they go through life and have a chance to witness or experience the ways in which these concept effect things. I thought I knew everything at 25 (16, 18, 21, 30, 40, 45, etc) Every few years I’ve either learned a little more or I have my thoughts validated to a greater extent. These concepts of honor and integrity have been studied and discussed as far back as the earliest examples of the written word. Most religions are fundamentally grounded in them. In some form or fashion they are likely the most studied, debated, written about and parlayed concepts that mankind has grappled with. They are a big part of the “Good” in “Good vs Evil”. Over that time, and for good reason, sports have become an area in which the core values of integrity and honor have become acutely entwined with the image of quality athletes and teams. “Sportmanship” is anchored in these concepts. At my current age (which ain’t really all that old mind you) honor and integrity aren’t necessarily more important than they were when I was 16, but my understanding of just how much they (or the lack thereof) can reverberate has grown exponentially. Seems to be the normal way these types of understandings grow in people. I find it very encouraging that so many people on DTN do share my opinion of why the Leach fiasco still has importance, even if it is destined to slowly fade away from relevance.
But in the end, and in the immortal words of Al Davis – “Just win Baby!” Much like a good bourbon at the end of a long day, it can go a long ways to making me live with what had me so worked up.
(Wow. Feel like I should be sitting on a wooden rocking chair on the front porch with a corncob pipe in my mouth right about now.)
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
by Dunka on Jan 10, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Something else I’ve been thinking about, which is the idea that I would guess (I’m not a fan of this program, so I may not know) that it’s taken 10 years for Indiana fans to “get over” his termination. I think that fans have finally moved on, but I would guess that it’s largely because Crean is finally having some success this year. It’s taken a while, but I’d guess that the IU fanbase is finally ready to celebrate their team.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
I've done some time in Hoosier land, so can't resist joke.
Three coaches flew to the NCAA convention. The plane crashed; and all 3 died.
All 3 noticed God up in the clouds sitting in a chair. God motioned for one of them to come into the clouds. God wanted to know three things:
Who are you? What did you do? What did people think of you?
The 1st person said, “I’m Denny Crum, I was 2nd best coach in the nation. I won 2 national championships & over 20 games a year. The people of Kentucky think I’m great.”
God said, "Fine, Denny, stand on my right side.
The next person said, “I’m Rick Pitino. I was the 3rd best coach in the nation. I won an SEC Championship and turned the program around to a fairly respectable one. The people of Kentucky think I’m great.”
God said, “Fine, Rick, stand on my left side.”
The 3rd person stood before God and said, “I’m Bobby Knight & I have won 3 national championships, 2 NIT championships, the Pan Am Games, the Olympics, 9 Big Ten championships, and I was the youngest coach ever to win 600 games, and the people of Indiana think you are sitting in my chair.”
As a current student
sometimes it’s hard to have a good perspective on the big picture. When I was a student, I probably would have been less concerned about the ‘scandal’ as I am now because I was less concerned about major university issues and more concerned about my big party Fri night or my exam Monday morning. Now with a little more perspective, I see that it’s not always about the end result but how you get there. Lying about faculty awards and numbers to improve state funding, conspiring against and firing a man to save some cash; the administration may be ‘improving’ our academic standing, but at what cost? These are things I probably wouldn’t have been as passionate about when I was a current student.
by ttuvault615 on Jan 10, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Where in the fuck is SARR?
I’m starting to get a little worried. Shrooms can be a real bitch if you’re not careful.
" Answers --Become Resources."
Without Questions, There are limited Resources...
Yes ... Where in the world is SARR ???
"I was taught to fight, taught to win" .... "Don’t Give Up"
i know!!!!!!!!!!
i miss that guy!!!!!!!!!! we needs a clever photo documentary post, stat!!!!!!!!
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
3 years
and we still talk about the captain? What’s next, an occupy Texas tech movement?
sad tech fan is sad :(
by wrench_raider on Jan 9, 2012 8:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm in
as long as there is running water, electricity and I have my own bathroom.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
by Austin, Tx on Jan 9, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The lighting is TERRIBLE in those portables
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Jan 10, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I thought that was called "Raiderville".
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
some people were questioning,
redrdr19881991’s credibility for doing selfish posts, or whatever. i don’t care about that, and i really just like the fact that we all get so worked up on the internet and have fun arguments about things that few of us have any influence on. i love that. and i love participating in it. but ok here’s my point, doesn’t this thread and the other one, with all the comments, lend to his credibility? so, you know whatever, i’ll bash him, i’ll praise him, i’ll jest, and i’ll go in illogical circles over and over again, like a dog chasing his tail, or a current student retaking a class 3 separate friggin times (finally passed!!!). so yah, next time he posts let’s all boycott him by not saying anything at all. but i have little feeling that won’t happen, based on my own actions, and statements
You don't get style points for the number of responses your post gets on DTN
You do get ego points for recs (Dunka is the big winner here).
The most important change that an individual can make on internet message boards is to help create an alternate reality where CRAIG JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS AT SMU.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
London Raider pretty much called him out and showed he’s not who he said he was. Redrdr19881991 hasn’t posted since. Definitely something shifty going on there.
He has zero credibility. In my view what all the posts were about were revealing the chinks in his armour, revealing things were not as he was trying to make them seem.
It wasn’t a normal back & forth exchange on DTN at all IMO. We may disagree and get mad at each other here sometimes (I mean I never have, but I’ve heard… ;-) But we don’t try to divide each other like that, at least not intentionally and/or in as bizarre a manner.
Wait—-SARR???
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
Regardless
Regardless of whatever is said on this site, I hope every Red Raider, past, present, and future, succeeds in whatever they choose to do with their lives.
by RdRdr19881991 on Jan 14, 2012 1:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oh yah, and also,
i meant to say comments are an ego-massager for most of us, i believe, excluding the fact oriented content that this site was founded on, i.e. TTU sports stuff. i mean, come on, everytime i post i have that little desire in the back of my mind that people will comment and the thread will blow up so i can feel relevant. don’t deny it, yall do too. it’s similar to that warm fuzzy feeling you get when someone friend’s you on FB, or “likes” something, or posts on your wall. yay social media. damn this new ADD medication is making me super “typee”
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 3:06 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
That is so typical of what someone who doesn't have a "Green" post would say.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
hells yah dunkster,
lol. i’m hoping that sooner or later my cleverness will mature and i can live up to the likes of LondonRaider, SARR, blackbeard and RdrPwr. i know it’s a tall order, but hey, at least the Texans are in the second round and Cowboys are caput for this year.
Really, Jameson??
You don’t know about Haboob?? Got take a look at the end of that post.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
oh yah, missed that part,
as i said below, i knew there had to be something i missed, but i couldnt put my finger on it. reasons could include but probably aren’t limited to me reading the the thread from the bottom to top, but not starting all the way at the bottom, etcetera
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Not just one, but two. Four if you count my wife’s.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
"There must be at least 57 haboobs up there"
Steve Martin
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
...and just like that, I just started my new year's diet.
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Harvey "Big Daddy" Pollitt: "What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?"
Sorry, miss, the job was a bust.
Come back next week and I’ll push on ’em till they pop out the other side. In the meantime, brazziers on isle 36, section D.
shoppin at walmart again rdpwr?
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
oh yah, so i did a little research,
no, i’m not haboob, though i wish i’d have thought of that username before he did
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
SHE, SHE, SHE! HABOOB IS A SHE!!
HABOOB IS ME!!! i was playing a joke on blackbeard and RdrPwr with the help of Kwash.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
ohhhhhhhh ok,
a little DTN inside joke. well, my research proved pointless. i knew there was something else going on in that post and thread but i couldn’t put my finger on it. lol thank you for clueing me in austin
by Jameson Vernon on Jan 10, 2012 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
No problem, you were so nice to haboob! That told me a lot about you!
I was trying to freak blackbeard and RdrPwr out by thinking they had an internet stalker!!! A couple of other sharp DTNers figured it out before they did after we started dropping hints. It will make more sense if you go back and read it now.
Die-hard Texas Tech girl & new Cougar (fan)! Bring it!
Someone Got The Wrong Idea That I was Discouraging People From Attending Tech
Nothing could be further from the truth. I talk up Tech every chance I get. I talk up Tech every time I wear a Red Raider t-shirt or sweatshirt.
My niece, who lives in Louisiana, will be an incoming freshman at Tech next Fall. My mother, father, and every single one of my five brothers are Tech grads.
I’ve considered Gerald Myers a dear friend for the past 20 years. I’ve let a member of the Board of Regents and his entire family stay at my home during the holidays.
I bleed red and black. And I read some of the stuff on this site because some of the people on here are funny as shit.
Everybody take a deep breath (despite what substance you may be enjoying right now) and relax.
Be thankful we’ve had the opportunity to go to the best damn school in the country and don’t be afraid to tell people about it. And remember, it ain’t bragging if it’s true.
GUNS UP!!!
Take a deep breath & relax?
Dear friend of Gerald Myers?
Let a member of the Board of Regents and his family stay at your home during the holidays?
Umm…so what? I’ve met a couple of presidents, know one of the presidential candidates running now very well and could go on. But what difference does it make? It’s not relevant. It doesn’t provide credibility, make you or me more important or more interesting than anyone else on DTN or anywhere else.
I think you overestimate your importance and appeal. At least you do with me.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
I really don't care what you think.
Maybe you should seek help for your daddy issues.
Meanwhile, I’ll support the school I love. Happily.
Personal attacks on DTN are not tolerated.
"This time it's different."
by LondonRaider on Jan 17, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
I've got to cover my asses, I mean my bases here
In my opinion, this has got to be be the most worthless post ever
on dtn. Totally useless. In my opinion.
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
by Red50cal. on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Totally is all in...
you sure you want to make such a commitment ? ;-)
Living large in Texas...Texas forever.
Thanks tallmike,
but I pretty much know the definition of “totally”.
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
But
do you totally know the definition of totally? I think that’s really the question.
I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough. -Mark Twain
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