Dicky Grigg "The End of the Road".
by RdRdr19881991 on Feb 18, 2012 12:50 AM CST
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PrintNot by a long shot. The Texas Supreme Court's decision merely ruled that Mike Leach could not recover monetary damages against Tech. Leach can still maintain his suit against Tech and recover the following:
1. A ruling that Tech breached it's contract with Leach.
2. A ruling that Tech must pay all of his legal fees, court costs, and expenses (which by now are easily seven figures).
3. A ruling that Tech acted with willful malice.
Before any one goes off half-cocked and makes any defamatory statements for which they might be sued, please consult a trial attorney and ask if this is not 100% correct.
Unfortunately, the linchpin of this entire fiasco is the irreversible damage it has done to Tech's image nationally.
By now I'm sure you have heard that the producers of Friday Night Lights are considering making a movie based on the Tech/Leach events.
Also, SI is planning a cover story on this for their April or May 2012 issue (I know this because we have worked together on numerous projects).
And last, but certainly not least, a screenplay is already in the works to turn this into a major motion picture.
I may have been a D student in math at Tech, but even I can tell you that this is gonna cost the Red and Black a heckuva lot more that $800,000.00 and a nondisclosure agreement.
So be a hater if you wish, but sometimes the truth and harsh reality hurts. And nothing at this moment could be more apropos than the age-old question, "Would you rather be right, or would you rather be happy?".
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Double-T Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Double-T Nation's writers or editors.
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tenacity
I think Mr. Grigg and cronies hope that Coach Leach does not have the tenacity or wherewithal to pursue this case further, but I like you think that this is not the end by any means, even if the guilty should hope it to be so.
With Regards to Mr. Grigg, WTF?
He must either think Tech fans are stupid, delusional, or both. Even worse, he is a Class of ’70 TTU grad who thinks we are not smart enough to sort through the facts ourselves.
Via ESPN, Grigg said he didn’t know what Leach could gain moving forward. “We’ll just have to wait and see what that is,” he said. “Whatever the claim is, it’s not monetary.”
WTF!
He is pissing on our legs and trying to tell us it’s raining. He is full of shit. He knows exactly what Mike Leach has to gain. Attorneys fees, court costs, and most importantly, his reputation.
If he believed Tech did nothing wrong, then why was sovereign immunity used as an invisible cloak instead of defending their actions? Any answers out there, huh?
Now that this ruling, which was without opinion (which is very important legally), is in the books, Leach can formally proceed with his suit against Tech.
And a storm is coming. Tech is going to pay a heavy price, and I will bet anyone out there Mr. Grigg will be nowhere near the courtroom when Leach calls his first witness.
by RdRdr19881991 on Feb 18, 2012 2:20 AM CST up reply actions
You're preaching to the choir around here
This isn’t Raider Power
Damn straight.
On a thread over there, the owner said he has been fair in handling both sides in this crapfest but them has to throw in a comment about him working with leach for the 10 years he was here.
So what you didn’t like him but don’t run your board like a North Korean boot camp. He doesn’t realize that the few vocal idiots on that board that trash leach are the exception rather than the norm.
by KellerTXTechsan on Feb 18, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
In a case like this, where the court has ruled money isn't in the mix
I’d be more than surprised if the court required Tech to pay Leach’s “reasonable and fair” legal fees. Just because you lose a case doesn’t automatically mean you have to pay the opponents bills. In fact, that can get tangled up for a while, as well. And if you don’t pay, nothing really happens to you. They would have to sue you AGAIN to get the money. Trust me, I’m in the middle of a $1.21 mm suit at work against contractors who built our building. Winning a suit means very little and is often the first battle to get paid.
That said, I’ll be glad when this goes away and the DTN internet indignation dies down. It’s trite, dramatic and overdone at this point. Discuss the case, sure, but quit acting like you were personally wronged. You weren’t,;Leach was. Your college made a bad decision. Now, go live your life. You still have your job – nobody got fired because they went to Tech and their boss canned them because of this mess. Your university, in the eyes of the vast majority not connected to it, looks just fine. It’s our own who insist our university is trashed – not people on the outside. Odd.
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
by Tech92 on Feb 18, 2012 8:23 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
A Few Things
1. I am sure I am taking it more personally than most.
2. I am sure there are some people who are taking it more personally than I am.
3. Since I (along with some relatives who are also Tech grads) live in the Northeast, we will have to agree to disagree that this is trite, dramatic, and overdone (I mean, a movie is being made about it!). It’s like a cancer. It keeps growing and growing and none of it is good.
4.. You are patently incorrect regarding the issue of money. Money is still in the mix. Perhaps millions of dollars are still in the mix. The Texas Supreme Court specifically ruled, by way of not issuing a written opinion, that Leach may still maintain his suit against Tech. He is precluded from winning any monetary (money) damages. However, he is still specifically allowed to have a jury trial, have his name cleared of any wrongdoing, and collect any and all reasonable and necessary attorneys fees and expenses. If you wish, I will pull out my O’Connor’s Texas Rules of Civil Procedure book and cite you every relevant section and passage of law pertaining to this matter, verbatim.
5. We will have to agree to disagree that this is trite, dramatic, and overdone. Among other things, a book has been written about it and a movie is being based on it. You call that trite? A human being’s name and reputation is at stake and you call that “trite”? Would you let someone or somebody slander you and your family’s name and dismiss it as being “trite”? It’s like a cancer. It keeps growing and growing and none of it is good.
6. You are correct. Just because you win a lawsuit doesn’t mean the other side is gonna pay your legal bills. Even if the court rules in your favor, there is still a lot of work to be done to collect the money. However, Tech is not “judgment proof” (one thing they taught us in law school was never to sue poor people). Tech has the means to pay any judgment rendered against it.
7. Again, we will have to respectfully agree to disagree. If you are ordered to pay a judgment and refuse a judge can hit you with any number of sanctions if you refuse the court’s order. But I could be wrong. Even though I, for the most part, stopped practicing law many years ago, I am licensed in New York, not Texas. I only received my Masters of Law degree in Texas.
8. As soon as Tech returns the money I have donated to it, takes my family’s name off a building, and quits asking me to donate more, I will stop feeling as if I were personally wronged. Sound fair?
I agree with you 100% that almost every one would like to see this to go away as soon as possible, however, that is wishful thinking.
But if you or your family’s name were unfairly defamed as Leach’s was, would you just give up? If so, then you are a much better man than I.
by RdRdr19881991 on Feb 18, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
+1 billion
Our University has been trashed because of Hance, James etc. Leach is doing what any one with a pulse would do. Fight to clear his name of any wrongdoing. How a few morons don’t get that is beyond me.
by KellerTXTechsan on Feb 18, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree………..Tech looks trashed to most of the outside people……it’s only the few from the inside that insist on wearing rose colored classes and think Tech’s actions have not done major harm to it’s reputation. And it wasn’t just a bad decision, it was contrived, calculated, schemed and then covered up and hidden behind an antiquated SI law. This will never go away until Tech tries to right the wrong. Hence the articles and movies that continue to be linked to the story.
by darlinclementine on Feb 18, 2012 10:33 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
A Voice of Logic
Darlinclementine, truer words have not been spoken. Thank you.
by RdRdr19881991 on Feb 18, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think that this has hurt tech's reputatiin nationally
What Tech did was a CYA, after a top media personality threatened to sue for his son’s injury. Imagine what would have happened if james’ accusation would be true and we did not fire Leach. Tech acted in its best interest. Remember the initial decision was to ban leach for one game (as missou did with pinkel in 2011) and investigate this internally but lleach threatened to take tech to court and things escalated from there
by jef on Feb 18, 2012 10:57 AM CST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
A Book. A Movie. Sports Illustrated. ESPN. CBS. You're Right. It Hadn't Hurt a Bit.
Not to mention, just google “Mike Leach” and you will see that over one hundred independent national news sources covered the Texas Supreme Court’s decision regarding Leach.
“Nothing to see here. Just move along.”
by RdRdr19881991 on Feb 18, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Spin Zone?
Tech’s and Leach’s images have both been hurt. But what gets me, by most comments here, is that apparently everything is the Administration’s fault and poor little Mike Leach is without an ounce of responsibility. Mistakes were made by BOTH parties.
Leach put a bullseye on his back the previous year during contract negotiations that were tainted by his continuing efforts to shop his services elsewhere without informing his boss. I have no doubt they were looking for a way to get rid of him or hoped he would go elsewhere but after the best season in Tech history they had to keep him. The James episode was just the match to start the fire. Craig James and his ESPN connections (same type entity that now want to make money on the story or with a movie) would not have let a proper or complete investigation take place before damning Leach AND Tech in the media if Tech did not act quickly. So Tech asked Leach to make an apology and sign a statement he would not abuse players. Instead of making sometype of backhanded apology (I sure Mike could have come up with something.) and agree to not do something he was already not doing, he tells his bosses to f*** themselves and walks out expecting no response on their part. Now more than pissed Tech suspends him for the bowl game and until a complete investigation is made. What does Leach do? Sues his boss to allow him to coach the game. What do you expect to happen? Tech has their ammunition now and Leach has stirred his detractors to a boiling point, they fire him and of course if you are going to fire someone you do it before a $800,000 bonus is due.
Cold and calculated, you bet it is and it happens everyday of the week. I am sure many here would love to get some dirt on Hance such as a financial impropiety or just the scent of one. You would use that to get him to resign his position or the Regents to fire him because of how it reflects on the university even though later, after a full investigation, he was found to be innocent of any wrong doings.
The Spin problem is this: all books written at this time are by Leach or are his view point, any movies or stories will no doubtedly be the same. So Tech gets the blackeye and Leach’s reputation is intact. He has not suffered as much from this incident from the allegations as he has from his reaction to them by suing everyone. He was a hard sell as a coach to many universities prior to being fired. That is why he had not already left Tech on his own. Afterwards, he could have got a job many places but not at school that he wanted not because they were afraid he would abuse players but because of how he fought with administration at Tech and was embroiled in multiple lawsuits. You are hiring a new coach, do you want to bring all that baggage along with him?
Time has lessen the blow and Washington State has come calling. I would have predicted more interest if he still was not in lawsuits. He can pursue this per RdRdr1988 but I hope that he doesn’t because I do not see anyone winning anything. Lawsuits like this will bring out things that neither party really want exposed to the public.
Finally RdRdr1988, unless Seth has banned you from DTN, you can post what you want but don’t threaten Seth or anyone on here with a lawsuit just because they disagree with you or actually use your own words to put a frame of reference around your posts. Otherwise go somewhere else to rant.
by Red&BlackAttack on Feb 18, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lets talk about how things went bad.
Before the 2008 season Leach was offered a contract, according to Leach a contract that he was wiling to sign. Hance pulled the contract back and decided to wait until after the season to negotiate a new contract. Leach proceeded to screw Hance over by having a really good season. Even after the 2008 season, Hance was out in the media saying that he wasn’t sure that Tech would even offer Leach a new contract. If you want to say Leach is a bad guy for looking around at other jobs fine, but to my way of thinking Hance forced him to consider leaving. If you want to find the bad guy in this situation, you don’t need to look past our chancellor.
"If only the good die young, I might live forever" Max Stalling
by FriscoRaider on Feb 18, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
and
To paint the pr battle anywhere in the vicinity as two sided is wrong. Espn alone waged an unfair war, and you get to throw spaeth on top of it.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Feb 18, 2012 2:44 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don’t think Tech’s reputation would have been harmed by saying that the matter had been thoroughly investigated and determined the charges to be false. Tech should have gone further and pursued fraud charges against the James.
"If only the good die young, I might live forever" Max Stalling
by FriscoRaider on Feb 18, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
odd...
People getting worked up over this situation in a forum dedicated to that very program. It would be odd if this were a cooking forum and this were the case.
You may not think much of the guy…but sports by brooks is all over this….this is not in a vacuum.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Feb 18, 2012 11:49 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
and
If this were a cooking forum, I would tell you about some cutting edge things I’m doing with my panini maker.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Feb 18, 2012 2:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I am all ears
or is it tuBS is all ears, I forget.
"If only the good die young, I might live forever" Max Stalling
by FriscoRaider on Feb 18, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
While foods
Has a cilantro jalapeño pesto that is as addictive as crack….it goes well on my turkey/ham paninis.
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Feb 18, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Just like everyone to remember that the writer of this FanPost is the same person that told students not to go to Texas Tech and that he would not hire any Red Raider (I believe this post was edited heavily, not by me, but by the writer) http://www.doubletnation.com/2012/1/8/2692974/to-the-students and the also again chided the students for being “indifferent” http://www.cougcenter.com/2012/1/29/2757274/ttu-is-no-wsu And then made a bunch of friends in this post http://www.doubletnation.com/2012/1/8/2692567/i-need-advice This is similar to the other FanPosts that he’s written, so for those of us who have been around a while, we get it.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Oh, and he also said this in the CougCenter post:
Don’t get me wrong, I think the folks in Lubbock are some of the friendliest people in the world. The students, however, are a jealous bunch and are envious of grads who have done better than they can ever hope to (I base this on the fact that I have grad degrees from Texas A&M and The University of Texas as well and they are always extremely happy and supportive when their grads do well).
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Does this mean we get to start comparing resumes on DTN, Seth?
Cool!! That could be fun!!! I kid, I kid!!
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
Seth, Obviously Your Journalistic Credentials Have Skewed By Personal Opinion
1. I will debate you on any Tech issue any time, any place, any where.
2. Say one thing which defames me, and you will be sued immediately.
3. Journalists are taught not to interject their personal opinion into any story.
4. I care just as much about Tech as you do.
5. And I challenge you to compare your financial support of Tech with mine.
Are you man enough to take these challenges?
by RdRdr19881991 on Feb 18, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
I haven’t said anything that defames you. Those are your words. I’m not a journalist. Bye.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
Yea. And for the record, I’m a poor son of a bitch, but like a lot of people in this world, I don’t measure my self-worth by the amount of money that I make, but about the friends and family that I have.
Go Raiders . . .
Double-T Nation
by Seth C on Feb 18, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Good
And FWIW, I could not agree more with your comments on self-worth. I’m not interested in those who measure themselves or others by money – if money is a measurement for self-worth I’m in BIG trouble! :-)
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
Seth
You have a wealth of friends and followers on this board.
Thank you for all you do in keeping us up to date on all things Texas Tech.
It's all good.
by Red and Black 71 on Feb 18, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Amen!
Your credentials and motives are beyond reproach, as far as I’m concerned. Even when I don’t agree with you, I ALWAYS respect your viewpoint because I know you’re being honest. This other guy….well, I sure as hell wouldn’t buy a car from him!
Seth,
thanks for jolting me back to reality by reminding me of this guy’s seeming two-faced approach to things
by Jameson Vernon on Feb 24, 2012 2:00 AM CST up reply actions
dude
"Nothing can bring you peace but the triumph of principles." ~ RW Emerson
by raider realist on Feb 18, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Found this post at cougcenter...do us all a favor and take a big fat shit on your degree from Tech. While you're at it, please stop pretending to be some big shot New York somebody. You're probably a cabbie...I'll look for you next time I'm there.
Not Sure Yet.
I am looking forward to making some new friends, though (and drinking a lot of beer).
My buddies said the people there are pretty wild but very friendly.
Tech fans are arrogant, cocky, and lack any semblance of class (however, the women are quite beautiful).
They have some crazy, warped idea that they are an Ivy League school. Not!
I got my Ph. D at The University of Texas. Much classier. I am so glad Leach is with you guys now.
by RdRdr19881991 on Jan 30, 2012 1:29 PM CST actions
This is me and my classless move…(insert middle finger here)
Have good and get give
"Tech fans are arrogant, cocky, and lack any semblance of class (however, the women are quite beautiful)."
This was my favorite. I’m ashamed you graduated from Tech and are publicly telling people you went to Tech. Please stop associating yourself with Tech. People like you disgust me. You should have never left West Texas (where you say you grew up) because if you acted like this in West Texas you would have had your ass kicked enough by now that maybe you would act like an adult. I stress maybe…
Have good and get give
04 you never cease to amazeth thou.
If I ever become an impotent dude, will you be my
speech writer? Awesome!
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
Maybe
"If only the good die young, I might live forever" Max Stalling
by FriscoRaider on Feb 20, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
It sure is
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 20, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Not to an actual douche bag
Calling this guy a douche bag I think is an insult to an actual douche bag
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
he may take pride
in being called as such, seeing that he is so far and away smarter than all of us now.
by Jameson Vernon on Feb 24, 2012 2:04 AM CST up reply actions
It's always defamatory if
it doesn’t fit your agenda. It’s in the PC manual,
look it up
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
Maybe not
"If only the good die young, I might live forever" Max Stalling
by FriscoRaider on Feb 20, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
No way
No bullfights. No gambling. No donkeys. No vanilla extracts. No piñatas. None of that stuff. Straight football. No switchblades.
by San Antonio Red Raider on Feb 20, 2012 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Not if you use the techinical term (which I heard in health class back in the day...)
But you guys probably don’t want to know what it is so I’ll spare you.
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
wow dude,
you almost had me on your side again when i first read the post, and then you had to go on continueing to be unrepresentative of “strive for honor evermore”. Yah. It’s from the Matador Song. Deal. I think you are gravely mistaken that Tech people are all jealous of people doing better than other people. This is the internet, and I’m still struggling a bit trying to figure out what you’re getting at in your posts, cause it’s like your two-headed or something.
It’s freakin awesome that you’re a screenwriter if you are. But I think all the NewYorkiness may have gotten to you.
An excellent warning, since I’d really like to have a Wall Street career with my FInance Degree. Jeez dude. Stop taking so much offense to things.
by Jameson Vernon on Feb 24, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions
Whoa! Back the trolly up shorty...
1. That’s fine and dandy if you’re willing to engage in discourse without measuring yourself against other people associated with this board or this school.
2. I’ll say whatever the f*ck I feel like. Your attorney isn’t near as capable as mine. I make myself readily available all over the internet. Have your attorney call me.
3. This is a Fan Site. End. Of. Story.
4. You will never care as much about Texas Tech as I do. While most have made an attempt to lift this university and it’s associated students and alumni up, you have made a joke out of it and all parties involved.
5. You don’t have the money. If you do, pay off some of these kids student loans. Lord knows it’s difficult to put yourself through college without some pompous ass throwing his money around. To be perfectly clear, I’m the richest person on the board. Get in line.
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Can't believe I'm late to this party!
So I read all the links Seth put up and it looks like Kyle Rancourt @ CougCenter also hand-slapped RR8891. Not only was it hilarious, but “doucher” came to mind.
Regardless, whether or not a movie gets made and Tech’s name gets tarnished, in the grand scheme of things, who cares?! I get the anger and sadness over Leach’s firing. It sucks and he’s missed. Especially after the football year we’ve just had to endure. Nevertheless, we all know the people involved did wrong things and it may eventually ALL get exposed, assuming of course no one dies based on the alleged death threats by Pamela Stroud’s post below or TTU04’s belief that his world could be screwed. Just writing that last part made me think how ridiculous this whole thing is, it’s not like we just figured out that Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t act alone.
My whole point in this is that in the grand scheme of things, universities and their athletic programs (mainly football) have scandals, be it illegal recruitment, not paying for tattoos, point shaving, selling drugs, alleged sex and abuse of minors, steroid use, unregistered guns, etc. I look at our issue minor compared to those just mentioned – our coach was fired, our administration didn’t want to pay, and a notable sports figures son was embarrassed. I know I overly simplified the main issue here, but I know some of you will understand where I’m coming from. Time heals all wounds and I can honestly say mine is all gone.
"They name hurricanes after winds like we have in Lubbock." Coach Tommy Tuberville
While I'm not a fan of the author of the fan post
I don’t disagree with the premise.
The reason I’m posting is in response to Tech92’s post above. Here is my take on the issues raised:
I’ll be glad when this goes away and the DTN internet apathy and judgment of those with indignation dies down. It’s insulting and arrogant to characterize others passion for a relevant issue as, “dramatic and overdone at this point” because you disagree.
If people never acted like they, " were personally wronged" on issues they believe are a gross miscarriage of justice we would have never seen important change in our nation’s history. Very rarely can one person move a mountain.
Anyone – including those not bothered by situation – is free to, “go live your life” as was suggested.
Our university IMO, has been tarnished at worst or at least exposed to the shady handling of this situation by many in the media and outside of Lubbock and Texas. A quick internet search showed media stories in Arizona, Pennsylvania, Florida, Maryland and Washington State – this did not include a search of wire stories picked up by local papers and media outlets.
Within Texas, Kirk Bohls has covered the story sympathetically for the Austin American Statesman, the DMN has had significant coverage. Additionally, Sports by Brooks is staying on top of the story. How about Bruce Feldman?
It would be interesting to see how TTU Alumni Association donations have been impacted. Last time I spoke with folks there, they were being turned down for donations and that was AFTER Leach was hired at WSU. But I don’t know what their donations look like from pre-Leach firing to post-Leach firing.
So to say it’s just “us” who insist our university is trashed is not what I would consider an informed opinion.
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
by Austin, Tx on Feb 18, 2012 12:34 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
well stated.....
This is a 3 ring circus up in here......
by oldschoolraider on Feb 18, 2012 1:47 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
(pssst....it worked)
I think you know what I mean. ; )
11/12/11...66-6...I once was blind, but now I see.
Hmm...not really...but I'll take a couple of guesses...
A cry for help maybe?
You missed my attention?
Am I close?!
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
YOU GO, AUSTIN!!!
I couldn’t say it any better. BTW, I love the “quote” under your name. Your “bowl of sunshine” usually comes in handy when my mind is filled with thunderclouds. Glad you’re back posting with us!
Wow. Lots of passion and vinegar today.
I seldom see any issue totally black or white. But the author of this post just seemed to have so much anger it makes me wonder what the point was to the post. What did he/she want us DTN readers to do? besides agree with his opinion or quit donating money to Tech or both. People can both if they wish.
Thank you for standing up, Seth. I side with you on this one. Facing reality and admitting that mistakes were made is one thing, but these posts are just too negative in tone. I don’t want to read threats. We should all be able to state a reasonable opionion without worrying about being sued.
A bit more.
I wish I could turn the clock back, but cannot. I must live in the present and move into the future. I do think that a TV show, a movie, the book, and these lawsuits are all destructive to Tech’s image, and Austin, I do agree that these have affected the financial support Tech is getting from donors. I wish it were not so, but what can I do except decide for myself. I and my tiny donations will continue to support my alma mater academically and athletically. But I am just a stubborn person who can’t quit hoping for the best for my school. I am not important.
What can I do? I do not agree with all US policy, politicians, health care, budget, laws, etc. But if a president and congressman get elected that I do not like, I do not abandon my citizenship. I speak out and write letters. And vote. I cannot say that I agree with everything the Tech board, president, former AD, and Chan. have done. So if I do not like the administration, I can start writing letters. And keep writing them, and fill them with compelling facts and reasoning. And then write some more and make phone calls. Or I can get angry on a blog site. No point.
Like the Penn State case, it is not over, and the more we find out later, the more bad guys we will find, till we find out that almost everyone involved made mistakes. I hope that all people involved with the late 2009 events will agree to back down, agree to a solution that lessons the losses for all, meet somewhre in the middle, and ends this as soon as they can. That is naive and will not happen, but I am ready for a bright forecast for my school on and off the field. I think it will happen, but it may be years coming.
Agree!
I wish the parties would agree to a solution but it is not going to happen now. I wonder if any legit offers to settle were made by either party before Leach sent his letter 2-3 weeks ago. Leach can walk away without any harm except monetarily as most think he got screwed by Tech and now by the Texas Courts. Tech now has no reason to settle, they basically have won. Settling now admits to errors and mistakes they have refuted. If Leach continues lawsuit, wins and is awarded his legal fees Tech would pay only because they are forced to and not because they accept the verdict of the lawsuit. They will maintain they were still in the right and the courts screwed them. No winners out of continuing the lawsuit. Tech will character assasinate Leach on every little thing he did for the 10 years he was coach.
Please everyone walk away. Let them write their books, produce their shows, make their movies. An official response refuting the facts and/or how they are presented or portrayed will be made and it will sting everytime we see or hear it until it just does not interest anyone anymore. Aren’t you glad you are not Penn State? Think about how long that is going to linger and the books and the shows and the movies.
by Red&BlackAttack on Feb 18, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
HOLY CRAP!
How did I miss this! This is by far the craziest post/ comments ever.
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Yeah.
Was around during the beergut stuff and before, but didn’t start commenting until recently. Never seen someone threaten another person with a lawsuit on a blog!
"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Oh...yeah that part.
I haven’t seen that either. It’s obvious the dude needs to relax a little. How much fun can life be when a reaction is to threaten a lawsuit anonymously on a college athletics blog? If Wikipedia had a picture for the word “Winner of Life” I imagine tough lawsuit guy up above’s pic would win out 100% of the time.
Have good and get give
Yeah we have a few people that seem to be wound up too tight.
"If only the good die young, I might live forever" Max Stalling
by FriscoRaider on Feb 18, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously!
I don’t know what he was thinking but I have no doubt Seth wouldn’t have any trouble raising money for a legal defense fund.
On the other hand, maybe I can start whippin’ out Judge Judy every time someone disagrees with my opinion…
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
If "wound up too tight "includes...
megalomania….delusions of grandeur…..and commentary that can reward the reader with a full-blown case of the heebie-jeebies, I agree.
by ForestFlyer on Feb 18, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
No, sorry but his last post "to the Students"
is by far the most pathetic to ever appear on this great site.
"All I wanted was my icream cone and my little cream soda, oh well, oh well, oh well" White Stripes
I have a question regarding "Double T Double Cross" that seems to fit here.
It has been a rainy, good book reading day, so I finished the book. My question is regarding contract negotiation rules. If (1) the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools prohibit contract discussion from the Board of Regents and donors and (2) it appears there are emails from Larry Anders, Jerry Turner and Jim Sowell that show violations, then (3) why has there been no repercussions?
by Raider2010 on Feb 18, 2012 8:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I've got an email exchange from between Tech, Tech's SCAC rep, and myself.
I asked that exact question and was given the run around. Tech claimed it had done nothing wrong. The SCAC rep told me if I felt a violation had occurred (which I confirmed) I had to start the complaint process with Tech. I then forwarded her response to the three stooges and their band and quickly received a response with everybody and their dog cc’d by Tech with the employee contact info of the person at Tech that handles the complaints. The email response from Tech also had more prying questions. I then checked the website of where I work and in the analytics I had 29 hits total from Lubbock, TX on that day. 17 clicked on the “Our Administration” tab and the rest were on the “Our Board of Trustees” tab. To say they were very interested in me and who had the power to shut me up is an understatement. I stopped the process at that point. If those in charge right now are crazy enough to pull a stunt like Leach I wouldn’t put it past them to screw my world as well.
Have good and get give
by TTU '04 on Feb 19, 2012 6:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Wow-TTU '04
This is really getting creepy – beyond creepy actually. This is still America, isn’t it? How many of us who disagree with the admin and are pushing for accountability have been “checked up on” at this point I wonder…
Bet Sports By Brooks would be all over this!
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
To Raider2010
I tried, I was told by SACS that it had to be turned into them, and I did, but I had it incorrect. In other words, THEY can’t go after them unless Tech has been reported to SACS with a very specific rule infraction. Meanwhile, I got a death threat!! So, knowing all that I knew including the above, I decided to refrain from any more action. We had too many trolls roaming around who knew my name. In other words, I got scared. I REALLY haven’t figured out why SACS is there. THEY won’t go after anyone if they hear of anything, ESPECIALLY if there are two books, depositions publicly out there, emails published by the Dallas Morning News, etc. They obviously don’t care. They will ONLY pursue something if it is reported specifically by the rule to them. Well, forgive me, but when you read the rules, etc., of the SACS, good damn luck figuring it out. Then they are too STUPID to understand the THREATS that are out there????? Aw, come on, SACS. IF they would ONLY STEP IN ON THEIR OWN AND ADDRESS THE PROBLEM AT TECH, THIS WHOLE THING WOULD COME TO AN END!!!! But NO, SACS won’t do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They won’t do the right thing!!! It is VERY sad!!!!!!!! THOSE threats are very real, and I think Hance and Co will do whatever is necessary to succeed in this mess!!!
by Pamela S SŦroud on Feb 19, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Old Uncle Joe Stalin would be proud of those folks.
Gee, doesn’t sound like they liked the questioning. But your story brings up the question—why didn’t SCAC do something about this like they did with Auburn? SCAC requiring you to jump through all those hoops just makes them look dumb. This case is well documented in the press, and not enforcing the regulation against contract negotiation by BOR and donors —well, why have the regulation in the first place if you don’t enforce it?
It is kind of like this
why have the regulation in the first place if you don’t enforce it?
Why have a contract with a uiversity if it can’t be enforced?
TTpilk
"Never, never, never give up." Winston Churchill
by TTpilk645 on Feb 19, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this factually correct?
I am no lawyer, but my understanding is that the Texas Supreme Court decided that Tech could use sovereign immunity to avoid being forced to live up to the terms of it’s contract.
"Basically, the (Texas) Supreme Court has decided, after looking at all the law and thousands of pages (of material), that Tech does not owe Mike Leach a penny. Period. The end," said Tech attorney Dicky Grigg.
If indeed this quote is inaccurate, why make it and wouldn’t a real lawyer know better than to say something as inflammatory as this quote?
"If only the good die young, I might live forever" Max Stalling
I am NOT a lawyer
But my understanding is that the Supreme Court ruling does mean Leach cannot get monetary relief. He can, however, still press his case to prove he was unfairly terminated to “clear his name”.
Someone please correct me if I’m wrong because I want to make sure I understand this correctly. Thanks!
Who ate your bowl of sunshine this morning, thundercloud?
I am hoping that one of our lawyer type people could explain this quote. It does seem to me that it is a mis-characterization of the ruling from a person that should know better. If I am correct then it would seem to me that it was given in an attempt to mislead the unwashed masses. Which would be quite offensive to me that Texas Tech would think that I am either incredibly uninformed or too stupid to understand the difference.
"If only the good die young, I might live forever" Max Stalling
by FriscoRaider on Feb 20, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm no lawyer, but many have emptied my pockets over the years.
I say that “technically” correct.
At this moment, right now, Tech does not owe Mike Leach a penny. And that may stand the test of time. But my interpretation of the situation is that this current fact could be changed by a future ruling in Leach’s favor (in his effort to clear his name) that calls for Tech to pay legal fees. At that point, Tech would owe Leach money. If I am correct here, that would mean the the big Dicky is correct as of the moment.
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You are saying that one effect of the ruling is that the contract cannot be enforced, but I do not think the Supreme Court ruled at all as to whether or not Tech owed Mike Leach money. Huge difference in my mind.
"If only the good die young, I might live forever" Max Stalling
by FriscoRaider on Feb 21, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Why I'm still confused. But maybe I shouldn't be.
So the post was actually pro-Leach or pro-Tech at first, but then he’s been documented to have posted all the other shit on here and coug center. Factual facts documented by Seth. Which is technically real journalism- reporting actual facts that are really real actual facts in an unbiased factual manner. That is, the posting of the facts that this guy really did post those other things. A truly refreshing turn from the “journalism” that exist today, but that’s a whole nother thing, and that topic certainly doesn’t apply here. Anyway it’s too bad this guy has become a bad lemon in the sphere of Tech alums.
But anyway, he’s all over the place, which is why I guess I’m still confused. As it were, it may be a product of my desire to believe in the goodness of people, particularly other DTN’ers.
On a completely not confusing note: Way to go DTN’ers coming to Seth’s defense in this thread. Effin A yo. Effin A
Amen!
Is it the end of the road? Don’t think so by a long shot.
“This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. It is, however, the end of the beginning!” —Winston Churchill
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